From: "Dave Beightol" <dave@infodave.com> To: "Dave Voorhis" <sysadmin@armchair.mb.ca> Subject: Re: This is a legitimate Offer... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:30:26 -0500 >At 07:38 PM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hello again, >> >>I must say I was at my most aggrivated point in years, when I recieved your >>first email. >>I apologize for the harsh words... > >Apology accepted. Thanx > >>I am a very legit businessman. > >That is only true if your business is NOT entirely based on sending >unsolicited commercial email. That was my first and last shot at it.. > >> I truely DID research before I sent the test >>emails.. > >Then I am amazed that you weren't aware that you were sending Spam. > >>I really thought I was doing the right thing in the way in which I formated >>the letter.. > >You think a mere wording change would change the nature of your email? >That's like thinking that painting "Truck" on a bicycle would give it four >wheels... From what I read, as long as it was a legit offer and you gave a legit return address it was cool.. > >>In the last couple hours, I have lost my entire domain, Virtual server, >>email accounts, except for one temporarily... My online life (that I value >>deeply) is suddenly over.. > >Again, I am amazed that one who claims to have an "online life" would not >realize the folly of sending unsolicited commercial email. Why? I have been getting it myself for 2 years.. sometimes daily.. If I don't like it (and sometimes I do,) I just click the delete button, It's not that hard... > >Let me ask you this: Have you received even ONE legitimate order from this? Yes, 2 actually, still not worth the price I payed thought.. > >> All because I sent out 100 test messages >>with a program I bought that was suppose to keep me in the clear.. > >You are aware, of course, that by "keeping you in the clear," the program >means it attempts to HIDE your identity, to prevent people like me from >finding out your REAL email address? > No actually it worked by MAKING you put a legit return address or it would not send... >>As far as your invoice goes, I guess I could file the same charges too.. As >>I have not soliceted your services.. > >In court, I would argue otherwise. I would argue that you implicitly >solicited my services by sending off-topic email to mailing lists at my >site. You implicitly solicited my services by putting the burden of cost >for distributing YOUR commercial mail on ME. When you send me one private >email, we share the costs, which I accept as being an Internet citizen. >When you send one email to one of my mailing lists, however, I am unfairly >burdened with the costs of distributing that email to potentially thousands >of subscribers. While I willingly accept the burden of cost for on-topic >email, I do not choose to do so with off-topic email. In court in this country you would not have a chance... > >Furthermore, had you done your research, you would have known that I >explicitly make it known that there are costs for distributing unsolicited >commercial email. Please see the link at the bottom of >http://www.armchair.mb.ca/ I have never been to armchair.. I had no idea it was a mailing list.. I thought I was sending to individual addresses. > >>I made a mistake... I did not mean any harm to anyone... Now I am >>finished... That should be enough to make you happy.. > >Perhaps your ill-conceived and illegitimate business is finished. Maybe >now you can make a living like the rest of us by providing fair value for >costs incurred. Do you realize that sending Spam simply puts the burden of >cost on the rest of the Internet? There is nothing illigitimate about me or my business. It does not cost to recieve email. > >>This is suppose to be a free country. I really thought it was OK to send A >>legit offer.. >>I guess I was wrong.. > >This is a free country. That does not mean you are free, however, to steal >from me -- and that IS what you are doing, by not paying distribution costs >for unwanted email. > >>Please let this issue die > >Now I will. > Once again, thanx >>I have suffered enough for my simple miniscule mistake.. > >Well, if there is a positive to this, it is that maybe some would-be >spamsters will learn something. I intend to turn this exchange (suitably >anonymized) into a Web page, to warn other would-be distributors of >unsolicted commercial email of what WILL happen if they try it. > See that it IS anonymized or you will find out about the court system in this country.. >>Dave Beightol >> > > >-- >Dave Voorhis, System and Mailing List Administrator >dave@armchair.mb.ca or sysadmin@armchair.mb.ca >http://www.armchair.mb.ca/~dave >
Oh, right, like I'm going to let that go... Hit "Next," please.